"SYCK SS" twin turbo build

[Pro Stock John]

xpndl (Steve Z) said he's got a budget friendly guy too:

Anyone assemble their own short block?

I have never heard anything bad about Bill and Ted at Opel, solid rep. As for the shops that little mentioned, I have heard of PER. AES, well, Opel sounds good.

Planning to drop the compression a little? I would run an intercooler and race gas don't you think? What will you need to make to hit your goal, 750rwhp? That sounds risky on water/meth. So only one piston affected? Ring expanded and broke part of the crown off?

[SYCK SS]

xpndl (Steve Z) said he's got a budget friendly guy too:

Anyone assemble their own short block?

I have never heard anything bad about Bill and Ted at Opel, solid rep. As for the shops that little mentioned, I have heard of PER. AES, well, Opel sounds good.

Planning to drop the compression a little? I would run an intercooler and race gas don't you think? What will you need to make to hit your goal, 750rwhp? That sounds risky on water/meth. So only one piston affected? Ring expanded and broke part of the crown off?

Yeah, i have worked with opel in the past and have zero complaints. Ted and Bill were great to me, at the time i was 19 years old and they really watched out for my best interest. But ill check out that link too.

I am going to drop the compression down to 9.7 at the lowest. Still deciding on what head gasket to use. If i use an LS9 it will lower the compression a little bit more. But would like to stay slightly higher compression then most people usually go with.

Race gas is an option - and an intercooler is not necessary. We have a couple tricks up our sleaves that will be involving an ice box and CO2.

I have been talking to Blake-b from camaro5... he is running almost the identical setup i am going to be running and he put down 825whp @ 16psi on 93 pump gas.

The thing i like about water/meth injection is that the hotter and faster the charged air is.. the better it works. So i think by doubling up on my injector nozzles with the meth, i will be able to cool the air still.

i also will most likely be cermic coating my whole exhaust as well to reduce heat by the charge pipe and increase velocity of exhaust gas too.

and so far from my brief inspection it was all cylinder 7. everything else looks good.

[Toasty]

Forgive me, but when you mentioned Bill & Ted, I thought this...

[SYCK SS]

Forgive me, but when you mentioned Bill & Ted, I thought this...

haha everytime i talk about opel and say their names i always grin. i was wondering if anyone else would pick up on that.

[DarkSS]

What is the reasoning for not running an intercooler? Sounds like your in for headaches trying to run just meth and make 700+ HP.

[SYCK SS]

What is the reasoning for not running an intercooler? Sounds like your in for headaches trying to run just meth and make 700+ HP.

originally when we built the kit we wanted to see if the length of charge pipe under the car would reduce the temperature enough to not require an intercooler. Plus it reduces lag. when you add a big intercooler, it creates a lot more volume of air needed to pressurize the whole thing.

but i know pushing 20psi will compress the air alot more and cause it to be heated up more.

thats why i was saying if i am going to add an intercooler... then i am just going to change the whole system around.

[DarkSS]

That was the benefit of the remote turbo set up but inherently they create more lag from my understanding. It just seems with that much HP there is no other way to get your IAT's down. Meth is good but I'm not a fan of it. I could see your system being laggy with a FMIC and long charge piping especially with boost being bled off between shifts but I can't see a away around it. I'm building a turbo car but my turbos will be mounted in the traditional way and I'll be running a giant FMIC and no meth.

[SYCK SS]

That was the benefit of the remote turbo set up but inherently they create more lag from my understanding. It just seems with that much HP there is no other way to get your IAT's down. Meth is good but I'm not a fan of it. I could see your system being laggy with a FMIC and long charge piping especially with boost being bled off between shifts but I can't see a away around it. I'm building a turbo car but my turbos will be mounted in the traditional way and I'll be running a giant FMIC and no meth.

nice man! the more turbos the better!!

but yeah you are correct. The biggest benefit of the turbos in the rear is not only usually lower IAT but also lower engine bay temps. Turbos get so crazy hot that when put next to the motor or trans, it can heat everything up. and yes, most kits come with an intercooler to help even more with the IAT's but that in return increases lag.

now my kit is unique in the sense that i dont have any wastegates on the exhuast side like a conventional turbo setup. What this does is basically gives me instant boost in between shifts. We did this on purpose. But in return it causes the turbos to spin faster then needed for the boost levels i am at. And that is the main reason my IAT are so high. it was experimental and once we discovered we could control the IAT as much as we did with the meth we were happy.

i was a little worried with the meth before i installed it but i swear by it now. I dont use it for the octane booster or the fact that i could get more aggressive with timing. i use it 100% for cooling the IAT's. This way if the meth fails for whatever reason, the motor will still be fine. just DO NOT tune for it and you will be able to take advantage of it the safest way possible. The way i describe it to people is that my car runs as if it was 50 degrees out no matter how hot ambient temperature is. So DA and outside temp doesnt affect me as much as other.

Regardless if its 100 degrees outside... or 60 degrees outside... my IAT never go about 130 degree. and usually when its below 70 degrees out... my IAT dont go over 90 degrees. That in itself allows to put more power down because the computer doesnt pull any timing due to high IAT's.

I want some details now on your turbo build :-)

[DarkSS]

Most of it is top secret . It will be a grudge car. My plan is twin's on an LS in my 3rd gen. TH400 and 9". I should have the LS swap done by next spring then I will be be planning out the turbo system.

[SYCK SS]

Most of it is top secret . It will be a grudge car. My plan is twin's on an LS in my 3rd gen. TH400 and 9". I should have the LS swap done by next spring then I will be be planning out the turbo system.

totally understand. Twins are the way to go for sure!

Ever need help wrenching let me know. i am always down. Secret is safe here haha

[Pro Stock John]

Any thought to building a front mounted kit with an intercooler?

[SYCK SS]

Any thought to building a front mounted kit with an intercooler?

oh yeah, i have 2 front mount ideas that we have been bouncing around.

idea number one would be similiar to this



PROS:
*no oil pump needed
*minimal lag
*looks cool
*direction of turbos will suck in nice moving air

CONS:
*A LOT of down time to complete
*HEAT - engine bay temp will be a challenge
*have to relocate a ECM, Fuses, and ABS system.






or idea number 2 hasn't been done yet (which is why i like it) but means no pictures.

invision looking at the car from the front and where the fog light bezels are... imagine seeing the turbine of the turbos on both sides.

*edit* a Photoshop I did.



PRO:
*further away from engine bay
*almost no lag due to limited piping and bends
*direct airflow while driving
*no modification to engine bay

CONS:
*limited places to mount and secure turbos
*sucking in water, bugs, debri....(we did think about this and think we can avoid damage by putting screens on the turbos and then bolting on a plexiglass plate in front of the turbos to prevent damage. But still an "idea)
*would require an oil pump still as turbos will be lower. So oil is another pain






we are thinking about adding an intercooler and updating my wastegate setup and see what this current kit can do before switching everything around. so i will be needing to purchase new waste gates and an intercooler either way... so i think we are going to try this first. then decide on which setup do to latere.

thoughts?

[DarkSS]

totally understand. Twins are the way to go for sure!

Ever need help wrenching let me know. i am always down. Secret is safe here haha

Cool, thanks. I like your turbos in the fog lights idea but that is more suited for a race car.

[SYCK SS]

Cool, thanks. I like your turbos in the fog lights idea but that is more suited for a race car.

yeah, thats the only thing. I still will drive this car as much as i can and thats the only thing that really worries me. its not the most street friendly setup. Yeah it would look cool and perform better than most kits... but just not the safest for street application.

I dunno we will see, first things first and i have to get the parts together to reassemble the motor. Decisions... decisions...

[FreakyFastFreddie]

You prolly already know this, but FLP has a twin turbo with the turbo's mounted up in the engine bay similar to your first picture. I meant to get a picture of it when we were there for Dyno Day but didn't. Someone else that was there may have taken a photo of it. I thought theirs looked really good and a clean install.